the POD Star

[Jonathan Barlow Gee]

the meaning of the POD "Atlantean" star.

Violet: COSMOS:: the multiverse

In the beginning, there was that which is beyond that which is. And from that which is beyond came the holy one, blessed be he, the maker and shaper, the former of all that which is. The multiverse came into existence at the same moment as the universe. It has grown while the local universe has shrunk. The multiverse of a pleroma of baby universes, formed from the oldest particles in the local universe, is the light from the surface of the dark orb of the universe, and this appears against the inky black infnity of the parent universe beyond. Thus, the "colour" we associate with the Cosmos is purple, for black-light, the closest form of light to pitch darkness.

Green: SPIRIT:: tachyons

Now, when the holy one, blessed be he, began to form and craft that which is, he took forth a basic set of principles, the first of which was comprised of Light, the second, Love, the third, Life, and the fourth, Liberty. He laid these down with a quill of Pure Will, that "higher Light" above the universal principle of the "lower light," photons. These four principles enshrined the holy one, blessed be he, as the 4 corners of a square, and designed that which is as a circle with the same area. Thus, we say the first thing the holy one, blessed be he, established was MATH, as an Idea in his own mind, and second, GEOMETRY, as the Word of that Idea. He called the square time and the circle he called space.

Blue: WATER:: gravity

Once the holy one, blessed be he, created the circle of space, and observed the four corners of time, he was pleased. He set that which is into motion. He begat the big bang, and the singularity of the universe began being. He made the corners of time to move, and to change places in an order over time. He made the great universe to churn like water. The first force to appear was gravity as a motion opposite the direction of time. In this motion God lost sight of his clear reflection in creation, and so we call this the "separation" of the waters Above and Below. Above, there is the Lord God (AHDVNHAY). Below there are the multiverse and universe as time and space, alike a square and circle.

Indigo: AIR:: electromagnetism

The next force to appear in God's crystal globe as he made and shaped the entirety of that which we know now was lightning. Sparks began to form in the evaporating mists of the waters above. The multiverse began to be pulled apart around the edge of the universe like a shell around a yoke. An atomsphere of dew and condensation, like the sweat off God's brow, began to form above the trembling darkness of the waters of the deep. This mist began to thunder with bolts of static energy. These sparks formed the earliest stars.

Orange: FIRE:: weak nuclear fission

The earliest stars were ignited when massive clouds of gas became electrically charged, forming plasma, which quickly compressed into dense spheres of flames. Thus was fission, the weak nuclear force, next to be born within the looking glass of the divine creator. As these sparks ignited, they were reflected in the eye of God, that all-encompassing bright-darkness of the parent-universe surrounding our own singularity. So we say that, like the tears of God, these far few sparks or "sols" were formed alike unto angels, forever singing the praises of their divine maker and modeler. However, these stars did not live forever. As the oldest ones burnt out, they puntured holes out of space into time, and began consuming the interior of the universe into the exterior multiverse surrounding us. So it is said that a portion of the heavens have fallen, which means that many stars stll visible to us now have already burnt out or been consumed into larger black holes.

Yellow: EARTH:: strong nuclear fusion

As the quantum foam came to a rolling boil around the outer-edges of the spherical universe, and the multiverse of time grew while the local universe diminished, God looked down and saw the universe, that it was Good, and was well pleased in His creation. The weight of his gaze penetrated to the depths of space and activated the fourth force to be formed, the strong nuclear force of fusion. This simple gesture by God united the planets together, and allowed the formation on earth of complex-macro-molecules that would give rise to the earliest known forms of life here. Just as now matter, the fusion of atomic elements, governs the local universe, anti-matter, or dark-energy, fules the exterior multiverse.

Red: MAN: the local universe

The final miracle of God before resting was the creation of mankind as a micro-cosm of all these elements. He took the red-clay dirt of the EARTH, then mixed with it his own breath, the wind. Thus mankind was set above the stars, even the black-holes, for our role in the destiny of this universe is not fixed, as is their's. For inside the hearts of living beings is the spark of life, and this connects us each directly to God. So we see, in the final design, man is the measure, stretched across the Abyss, that connects all the five elements. The white square surrounding the red star of MAN represents his spirit, which is a reflection of time.

The entire POD "Atlantean" system is colour-coded according to the spectrum split from white light by a prism. The best acronym for this is "Roy G. Biv" meaning Red-Orange-Yellow-Green-Blue-Indigo-Violet. To apply this to the entire preceding description, look at the picture of the pentagram-star within a pentagon surrounded by five petagram-stars. Follow the ROYGBIV pattern from one colour to the next. This yields the progression of related attributes of:

Red = MAN
Orange = FIRE
Yellow = EARTH
Green = SPIRIT
Blue = AIR
Indigo = EARTH
Violet = COSMOS

also, although it is not implicitely labeled:
White = TIME
BLACK = OUTERVERSE

Now, the order of the elements as they are associated with the colours is different from the order of the colours in an ordinary, prism-split ray of light. Instead of the regular ROYGBIV, we find that the elements formed in the order:

OUTERVERSE = the "parent" universe's black hole containing the baby-universe we live in.
SPIRIT = superluminal tachyons, anti-matter or dark-energy
COSMOS = the singularity of our own universe, surrounded by the corners of the 4 elements and spirit as a multiverse
TIME = the motion of matter, causing entropic decay into energy
WATER = gravity (gravitons = the supraluminal "Higgs Boson")
AIR = electromagnetism (electrons)
FIRE = weak nuclear fission (stars, protons)
EARTH = strong nuclear fusion (planets, atoms)
MAN = mankind's evolution into increasing sentience from basic cells.

the pattern formed for the colours by relating them in this way to the formation of the elements following the creation of our universe (the "big bang") is thus no longer ROYGBIV, the exact split by a prism of a beam of white photons. Instead it follows:

OUTERVERSE = black
SPIRIT = green
TIME = white
COSMOS = violet
WATER = blue
AIR = indigo
FIRE = orange
EARTH = yellow
MAN = red

Thus yielding the pattern: GVBIOYR (as opposed to ROYGBIV). This pattern (GVBIOYR) is colour-coded according to the spectrum, however is represented on the above "POD star" depiction as a different pattern of connections from one colour to the next. However, also notice that the pattern from one shape to the next in the above diagram following the ROYGBIV colour-coded pattern yields a spin around the colours of the shapes in a counter-clockwise motion (beginnig rightward from the lower right), and that the pattern of elemental formation attributed to them follows a motion associating the colours of the same shapes in a counterclockwise spiral, beginning from the upper-left and proceeding downward. Follow the red star to the orange star, then around counter-clockwise: ROYGBIV. Then start with the green star down to the red star, then to the left and around clockwise: GVBYOIR. The significance of this is in the rotational direction of the colour-coded pattern: the word-colours correspond to the triangle-colours in a counter-clockwise progression.


A squared circle constructed using the ratios of earth and moon.

Imagine looking down at a sun-dial. As the sun changes position in the sky above the stationary gnomon, the shadows will revolved around clockwise if one is standing facing north (in the N. Hemisphere, or alternately south in the southern hemisphere).

Now imagine lying down beneath the sun-dial, so that your head is directed north (or toward the closest pole), but you are looking upward towards the sky. Now the sun will rise on your left, and will set on your right, just opposite a moment ago, when you were standing facing north. Just so, from this position the measure of the shadows will appear to rotate counter-clockwise.

Looking toward the pole demonstrates our planets' rotation "clockwise" around its axis (moving from west to east, thus appearing as a "clockwise" circle from above either pole. However, if we orient our own point of view toward the tropical equator of our planetary sphere, time itself will appear to revolve in reverse.


Here is a squared circle of my own. Think of the outer-square as time, the interior-most square as spirit, and the area of the square between them is the multiverse, the same area as the circle, the cosmos.

Because we have the direction of rotation followed by both the prism-split spectrum and the formation of the elements, we can orient our model of the POD star to its place on a larger spherical coordinate geometry, ie. our own globe. The four cardinal directions operate counter-clockwise to one another, so if we began in the east at dawn, and moved (south in the north, or north in the south hemisphere) counter-clockwise, we would be facing away from the nearer pole, and toward the equator. This model is meant to be viewed on the interior of a ceiling, looking upward. Thus the green star on top of the POD star model would be facing toward the nearest pole if graphed onto a globe.

PEACE!
- Jon

[Jonathan Barlow Gee]

[Mork42]

This is very interesting because I had my own theory that I had read and incorporated. This is another level in advancement but using some of the same symbols. 

 

It starts with the Void and plasma bursting forth violently and the Father, Fire or Weak Force being born into the multiverse. Following this The Mother incarnates as Water or Electromagnetism and their union creates first the Son, Air and the Strong Force. Finally, the daughter of Earth or Gravity comes forth to balance the forces. 

 

I'll give more detail but they correspond with Yod, Hav, Wau, Have. I also link them with the Grail Hallows and will look forward to trying to explain but immediately I prefer the imagery you are using and I am keen to learn more about your insight.

[Jonathan Barlow Gee]

aloha Mork42,

 

the differentiation of the elements was one of the first "metaphysics" projects I ever worked on, in one of the "accompanying essays" called "4 elemental forces," published first in 1999, along with the second part of my "Cheshire Sam" trilogy and some poetry, in 5 limited edition copies of a book called "Negative Zero," then later included with the first draft, in 2000, of my "formal system of metaphysics," the essay eventually made it into my print-on-demand published book, "the Metaphysicians' Desk Reference," and, by that point, formed a corner-stone of the theories expressed therein.

 

Because it was primary to the rest of my work, it was fundamental I got it right. The premise I started with was simply this: the 4 "terrestrial" or "classic" elements (water, air, fire and earth) can be attributed to the 4 "universal" elemental "forces" (gravity, E-M, fission and fusion). At first, I did not know which was properly attributed to which, and I did not want to base the entire premise on a simple guess, so I was at a loss. Finally, I set upon the attribution, made first by Plato in the Critias (where the correspondences were said to have originated in Atlantis) of the 4 elemental forces to the 5 platonic solids. In Plato, and all subsequent works, the 5 regular polygonal solids were attributed to the 4 elements and cosmos, thus: 1) cube = earth; 2) tetrahedron = fire; 3) octahedron = water; 4) isocahedron = air; 5) dodecahedron = cosmos.

 

I made a list of these, and then I made a parallel column list of the 4 elemental forces, thusly:

 

1) earth / fusion

2) fire / fission

3) water / gravity

4) air / electromagnetism

5) cosmos / tachyons

 

Then I began trying to re-order them into a pattern that would make the most sense, and remain as accurate based on the originally "Platonic" attributes as possible. I realised that, if earth stayed the same as the cube, it would only be the other 4 solids that could be re-arranged to the remaining elements and forces. I remade the list, also adapting the order to the complexities of the shapes, and then attributing the elements accordingly:

 

1) tetrahedron = 4 triangles + 6 edges + 4 corners = 14 total attributes.

2) octahedron = 8 triangles + 12 edges + 6 corners = 26 total.

3) cube = 6 squares + 12 edges + 8 corners = 26 total.

4) isocahedron = 20 triangles + 30 edges + 12 corners = 62 total.

5) dodecahedron = 12 pentagons + 30 edges + 20 corners = 62 total.

 

This placed earth / cube in the middle position, so I worked from there to attribute the "Platonic" solids to the elements, thus:

 

1) tetrahedron = fire

2) octahedron = water

3) cube = earth

4) isocahedron = air

5) dodecahedron = cosmos

 

I looked next at the orders the elements were said to have formed in by ancient cosmological myths:

 

In QBLH (descending):

1) atziluth = fire

2) yetzirah = air

3) beriah = water

4) assiyah = earth

 

in Greek (ascending):

1) earth = cube

2) water = octahedron

3) air = isocahedron

4) fire = tetrahedron

 

So, considering that the Greek and QBLHistical elements formed in the same order, though they were counted in the opposite directions between these twin schools, I remade the list thus:

 

1) fire / tetrahedron / atziluth

2) air / isocahedron / yetzirah

3) water / octahedron / beriah

4) earth / cube / assiyah

 

Finally, I distilled all these lists into a single system to decipher them all into one:

 

1) tachyons = tetrahedron (14) = cosmos / God (0)

2) gravity = isocahedron (62) = water / beriah (3)

3) electromagnetism = dodecahedron (62) = air / yetzirah (2)

4) fission = octahedron (26) = fire / atziluth (1)

5) fusion = cube (26) = earth / assiyah (4)

 

This has been essentially the same system I have used throughout almost all of my writings on the topics of cosmology or "metaphysics," theoretical sciences, etc. since 1999. It forms a back-bone of the structure of the "bund" degrees in the POD.

 

Hope this explanation sparks your neruons, Mork42. As always, PEACE! - Jon

[Jonathan Barlow Gee]

PS. you can read my original essay on this from 1998 here: http://www.benpadiah.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=355 PEACE! - Jon

[Mork42]

Wow! That makes a lot of sense and some of these aspects I have tried to incorporate. The Platonic solids for example is key and I love the way you have used it. Typically I can not find my original source but I am confident I have expressed the key points. 

 

I added to the system and incorporated the suits of the tarot as follows:

Fire = Spades/Rod/Wands

Water = Clubs/Cups

Air = Hearts/Swords

Earth = Diamonds/Pentacles

 

No doubt people will interpret things differently. In all honesty my understanding of the fundamental forces and the role they play is limited but I could see the elements, the suits of the Tarot and the Grail Hallows fitting more neatly with the four states of matter. 

 

I like your use of Qabala and science and the way you have cross referenced to get to the best synthesis. Numerology and geometry are the underpinnings of the cosmos and as everything is based on nested sets with common denominators systems of this nature are resonating with me and probably thousands of others. here are a few links to compensate us for the one I cannot find. 

 

http://www.oocities.org/dragons_nest_l/hermes_c.html

 

http://www.thenewcall.org/ri_yin_yang_pg2.htm

 

http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/peterr/ascension/futureBiophysicsYHWH....

 

It is is the basis of phallic symbolism and polarity that I find we get the dynamism of motion but your system is more advanced again utilizing the spectrum and fractal nature. Perhaps beyond my comprehension at present but really good food for thought. Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions.

[Mork42]

Just found the one that started me off.

 

http://www.mishkan.com/kbltalk1.html

 

You may know better than I just how flawed this interpretation is. 

 

Just clarifying is the square time or space?

. 

[Jonathan Barlow Gee]

Aloha Mork42,

 

To clarify for you, a flat square is only a shadow with 4 sides, serving as a symbol in 2-d of the 6-sided cube in 3-d. The cube itself is, in 3-d, only a shadow also, and thus also a symbol serving to signify a 4-d "hypercube" or tesseract, which has 16 corners, 24 edges and 16 sides (a total of 56 attributes). Insofar as a flat "square" is a shadow of a cube, and thus a cube is only a shadow of a tesseract, the 2-d square is a flat "symbol" for 3-d space, but the 3-d "cube" of space is, itself, only a symbol for the 4-d tesseract, which is a 4-space shape corresponding to the 4th axis of motion, entropy or time. The "square" as a flat symbol for this entire sequence of right-angled ploygonal rhomboids (the cube of 6 quares, the tesseract of 2 cubes, etc.) "travels" around the globe, influencing the migrating cultures of the local inhabitants, from west to east, while the flat-symbol of a "circle" (also signifying a "circle-sphere-torus" sequence) as a symbol of space migrates from east to west. The "suqare" of Hermes, the "cube" of Thoth and the "tesseract" of Tau-sub-Tau are symbolic of a negentropic, up-hill inclined evolutionary pro-social trend, while the "circle" of awareness, the "sphere" of influence and the "torus," the soul or aura, are symbolic of a pro-entropic, down-hill declining de-evolutionary anti-cultural trend. The former is considered "occult" and kept secret, and the latter is public "solar" cycle religion.

 

http://www.benpadiah.com/ben_com/NEXUS.html

 

Here is a diagram from the "table of contents" (NEXUS) page for the forums on my website (benpadiah.com). Click the link below the pic for the actual "t.o.c" / NEXUS page, which clicks through to the various forums. The key is, thus:

 

IO#'s = 7°'s of the IOBB2 ("illuminati-order.com bulletin board" version 2)

00#'s = 7 issues of the "NEXUS" e-zine (topics varying from science to modern news)

"Church" (Lemurian economy) / "Senate" (Atlantean gov't)

"york," "scot," "ros," "GD" and "OTO" are the POD's "Bund" degrees

 

The above graphic places in arrangement the 12 gems and jewels of the breast-plate of the "high-priest" of the Temple, with the clouded and clear quartz pillars on either side and spectral colour-coded Platonic solids above forming the arched gateway of the Temple. Hope you find this helpful. I'm about to check out your link, but first let me reply to your PM. Will add any additional thoughts then. PEACE! - Jon

[Jonathan Barlow Gee]

Aloha Mork42,

 

The link from mishkan.com you sent is interesting, definitely. The source of that article doesn't list Tony Smith or Stan Tennan (both Americans) in their "teachers" as influences on their site, but their work is definitely parellel to both of these other men. Are you familiar with either Tony Smith or Stan Tennan? Tony Smith wrote a book about Jack Sarfatti's applications of John Bell's "interconnectedness theorem" that uses complex n-dimensional geometrical lattices and is inspired largely by I Ching. Stan Tennan, founder of the Meru Foundation, is a modern-day QBLHistical Genius, a student of Buckminster Fuller and of the complete Zohar, and a personal hero of mine (although he once wrote me an angry email about my published book, the MPDR, saying I had "stolen all his work," which, obviously, is not true at all). Both of these two guys are serious "next level" sort of thinking, but they are operating along the same basic principle guidelines we are using right now to discuss our own studies. For example, our own independent works involving the 4 essential "elemental" principles is a basic, core, key concept of understanding numerology, ha QBLH, alchemy, metaphysics, cosmology, etc. The 4 "elements" are, like the 32 rows of Crowley's "777," simply a numbered group of related objects, and thus they can have correspondences that apply across the board in a wide variety of fields of scientific study.

 

Obviously, in discussing the 4 "elements" meme, we can't exclude our own teachers or those who laid the foundations for any work we could do, later, involving this topic. Obviously then we are considering everyone from the pre-Socratic "elementalist" Sophists (Heraclitus of fire, Zeno of air, Democritus of earth, Thales of water, Pythagoras of numbers) until the modern schools of quantum mechanics and astro-physics. However, among these some, of course, have contributed more to this meme than others. For example, Henry Cornellius Agrippa's 4 Books of "Occult Sciences" were an early influence on John Dee, who later founded the Rosicrucian Order (using the encryption method of Johannes Trithemius, Agrippa's teacher) and formulated the system of "Enochian Magic" (also based on a complex system of encryption). Much later, SL MacGregor Mathers managed to prove (as published in Israel Regardie's manual on the "Golden Dawn") that Dee's entire original system of the "4 Watchtowers" in his "Enochian Magic" system was actually based on a method of encryption using the 4 essential "elemental" attributes. Thus, Dee's 144-celled "Watchtowers" are actually 4 sets of 64 cells each.

 

I discuss my own studies along these lines at length in many of my ebooks, but the best resource I've posted for my conclusions online is on my own site, benpadiah.com, here: http://www.benpadiah.com/calendar.html

 

As always, hope to leave you inspired to learn more. PEACE! - Jon

[Mork42]

Wow! Just brimming with praise after watching your videos and the concept of reinterpreting history in light on Deism is exactly what I have in mind. This is was always the purpose of Absolute Convergence although it began as Shaman Stories. 

 

The Atlantean  and Lemurian civilizations or epochs have resonated strongly since I began researching them and found about the legends of Mu and the myths pertaining to Mt Meru. I will prepare some files to upload tommorow. 

 

Your messages are full of valuable information and know I am digesting. I have tended to read around the works of Crowley, Dee and others for inspiration rather than totally immersing myself in the learning of these systems. I know a lot about Crowley and the legends and conspiracies he is associated with. An enigmatic character of history but it is interesting to me how all the systems are really sophisticated and intellectualized forms of shamanism. 

 

For the system I have in mind it would be more tangible to uninitiated minds and draws them on an upward path but at their own pace. For me if I read something too complex it can go over my head and will not be retained so I am more keen on a system with feedback that creates understanding using learning theory and taxonomy. 

 

The potential applications are unlimited as I see it if the foundations are universal. I'm influenced by Dischordianism, Extropianism and Panentheism but it is Spircordeiosophy and is about spirit and mind. I think this is what Aquarius is about and I'm keen to develop something that has applications if not in the real world then in the virtual domain and capable of educating people on an array of subjects. 

 

Because the system needs to be complex and multidimensional we would a team eventually but I'd like to think between us we could develop something that could be an innovation in media and electronic education. The imagination has no limits. Words have few boundaries and code needs a programmer but I bet we could have a framework that would impress enough programmers and investors. I'm not after money but I'd love to be a part of something new and creative that is putting philosophy and sacred knowledge into action and following the evolutionary spiral as it emerges from us as individuals. 

 

What I have in mind is a stepped mountain structure that has Gates that reveal increasing depths of understanding but nurtures and cultivates individuality. There needs to be an interaction but if it is an immersive virtual reality then it has limitless dimensions. 

 

The one thing I observe from reading and watching your work, is that women play a relatively minor role. My interpretation has the sacred feminine as being central and I'm wondering if you have understanding of why the new synthesis must as far as possible, minimize or undo the impediment Patriarchy has become. That is my opinion of course but I believe it is based on sound reasoning. 

 

I'd also suggest that the sacred feminine lies at the heart of Abrahamism in all its guises and given the right conditions it is the preferred means of creating Kosmos (harmony). 

 

I call the mountain Lacuna Sphire and the idea is to integrate nature, architecture and technology into the landscape to inspire awe. It begins on the ground level and the entrance is through multiple paths and the symbols of vesica pisces and the golden apples show the two sides hopefully of mythos and logos. 

 

It's a bit late but I will send some documents tommorow.

 

I should also say how much I love the twelve gems. The number twelve obviously occurs with the 12 disciples and tribes of Israel. I also recall twelve gates of Eden so I'd like to incorporate that if you are willing. Originally I had intended for 7 gates but having secrets and paradoxes of that nature is the whole atmosphere I imagine would be most constructive. 

 

Thank you for the references. I will definitely check them out because they are up my street. I was watching some Jahn and Sheldrake videos recently and in the past I've flirted with the works of Hammeroff, Wolf and some of the others. 

 

I'd ask your opinion on people like David Wilcock, James Hurtak, Hoagland and Fulford? I've found myself to be mixed on all of them personally. 

 

Thank you for sharing such thought provoking and in depth study to the world. My mind is ablaze with the possibilities because it does to some extent reinforce the intuition I have followed since I began the search seven years past. This does feel like the next phase if you like. No one at the forum  has provided feedback on the Torus of Eschaton, Spircordeiosophy or Gates of Hesperia but truly I think they have value because they are emergent and fluid. All I am lacking is collaborators so know that your input no matter how much time you can afford would be greatly appreciated.

Kairos Kosmos (K2)

Jayce

[Jonathan Barlow Gee]

Aloha Mork42 (Jayce),

 

for my comments regarding the exact concepts expressed in your system, please refer to my PM in your inbox here on the POD.ning. For all intents and purposes I would prefer to talk about the subject of your hierarchical degree system as much via PM's for now as possible. It has been my experience too many others seek to influence any early stages of a developing system. I would like to keep those discussions touching on the matters of your own system to PMs for now, if you would not mind doing so. However, as always, I will be happy to discuss matters relating to the POD here, as well as any other topics, but I just want to keep the mentions of your system to PM discussions between us for now, if possible, and then we can decide how best to place those ideas uniquely your own into the contexts of this site that are uniquely mine. I hope you will understand and will not mind.

 

First, for the role of women in the POD, it is no different than the role of any man. Gender is irrelevant in the system of Atlantean Democracy. Because the Atlantean Senators are not allowed to show their faces, it is ultimately irrelevant who they are or what their own backgrounds are for them to be playing the role they are there to play by representing whichever group they are there to represent. This group, and thus the role played in the Senate, changes for any one person from time to time. Just as one can ascend from "quarrier" to "overseer" to "architect," so too can one belong to more than one of the "bund" degrees, and so too can a Senator serve on a jury or any priest become the Pope. Gender, skin colour, hair colour, eye colour - none of these things matter at all in "Atlantis" as far as I can imagine it.

 

As far as the names you dropped, "Jahn" and "Sheldrake," "Hammeroff," "Wolf," and "James Hurtak," I have never heard of any of them. David Wilcock I have a very low opinion of. Richard Hoagland and Benjamin Fulford are more respectable. Hoagland is on the right track, in my opinion, in looking at our own solar-system's planetary bodies as being dimensionally / time-space divided rippling reflections of a single planetary body, able to see its own future selves (closer to the sun) and its own past selves (further away). Fulford is the guy who interviewed John D. Rockefeller and asked his opinion about Ron Paul, right? He is okay too.

 

As far as "Dischordianism," "Extropianism," "Panentheism" and "Spircordeiosophy" go, I've only heard of "dischordianism" and only in the context of the novel "the illuminatus trilogy" by Robert Anton Wilson. It smelt like bull-shit to me, but honestly at the time I believed the appendices and manifesto attributed to Hagbard Celine were at least as good as the other works I was reading at the time, "TAZ" by Hakim Bey, "the abolition of work" by Jack Black, and "the electronic disturbance" by the critical art ensemble. Ever read any "Sub-Genius" literature? Some funny ass shit there.

 

I would like to learn more about "Extropianism," "Panentheism" and "Spircordeiosophy." None of these are even words I am familiar with. Also what does the term, in your context of using it, "taxonomy" mean? I was slightly confused, because I had it mixed criss-cross with "taxidermy." LMAO! Sorry about that. Anyway, hope this message brightens your brain-cells some, and that my tone in my PM doesn't sound too overly-critical to you about your own "cult"ish system. I do not mean you any harm. I am only stating what I believe to be the facts as I see them. I am always open to learning more. PEACE! - Jon

[Mork42]

Thanks, I really appreciate your feedback and I'm happy that you have criticism to be honest. I am in no way precious of my own ideas or anything and simply love to discuss different perspectives. 

 

I'm happy and impressed of the attitude you have in regards gender. It is very refreshing because most orders are Patriarchal and although this may not be true for the truly secret ones, the impressions one gets is generally of hierarchy, control and domination. With so many conspiracy theories in regards to mind control this is something I try and avoid and I'm so glad your system is one of equality and meritocracy. 

 

I haven't actually read that specific theory from Hoagland but I'll have to check that out. It was very early in my quest I was drawn to Cayce and ended up with Wilcock. 

 

I'll find some links and videos on the other people I mentioned as I think you'd be interested and I'll share some links that have influenced me on my own readings of Atlantis and Lemuria.

 

[Mork42]

I have not read any "sub-genius" literature but a quick search reveals them to be of interest. Anarchists and Discordianists go together like bread and butter so although my reading is limited I have an idea I will enjoy looking into their body of work.

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/classic/classics/X0003_botsg-intro...

I am familiar with Hakim Bey but not Jack Black. I have read the Secret History of the World by Jon Black which impressed me. The "electronic disturbance" is another I will have to watch out for. Cheers. 

http://affinityproject.org/groups/electronicdisturbance.html

Sounds cool. 

I'm wondering if you've ever come across the site Tribes of Atlantis in your research. I became acquainted with the author on the Unexplained Mysteries forum and though he had some sound ideas a lot of it seemed to go off the deep end. However, I am no expert so am unable to judge effectively beyond a laymans perspective. 

http://tribesofatlantis.blogspot.com/

What I admire about your writings is that there are less presumptions made as other writers tend to do. You seem to make less judgements and by being less specific in some regards I think the true value comes through. 

There are a great many links I'd show you but I'm unsure if adding links on the aforementioned topics here is appropriate.

I did however, read some things recently I thought were pertinent here. I'll try and find them:

http://www.consult-iidc.com/english/science/theophysicsprinciples.htm

http://www.pymander.com/AETHEREAL/COSMIC~1.htm

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/presentations/whatisconsciousne...

Check those and see how they fit with your understanding. Personally, I comprehend little of the last link but the first two do resonate. Lots more to dig out, show and tell. lol More to do with Atlantis and Lemuria but I figure the cosmogeny and the basis of consciousness is also important.